Why is it that when a Caucasian and/or Christian guy shoots people in America, people are like "Meh" or "He was mentally ill" but when a Muslim shoots people in America, people are like "Roar" and "It's because of his religion"?

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Corey The Goofyhawk Profile
Corey The Goofyhawk , Epic has no limit, answered

Actually, it's quite the opposite, especially with the President's speeches. Take a look at the Orlando shooting. The President did his best to seperate the shooting and the Islamic religion despite the fact that the shooter claimed to be ISIS, an Islamic extremist group. The President is all too willing to mention Christianity when he speaks of violence. His main point was the Crusades. He claims that this was Christian aggression against Islam when in reality the Crusades were self defense against Islamic aggression. For Orlando, the President blamed guns, not the shooter and his religion. For the Charleston shooting, the President blamed white America and the Confederate Battle Flag. For the San Bernadino shooting, the President blamed guns, not Islam.

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N. Harmonik
N. Harmonik commented
I said, "people", not "president".
Corey The Goofyhawk
The President is one of the people, believe it or not. Unfortunately, many people agree with his position.
Levi F.
Levi F. commented
The shooter claimed allegiance to ISIS to get attention; there's no evidence that he was supported by ISIS or even cared much about ISIS. His mental health played a much larger role than his religion did.
Barb Cala Profile
Barb Cala answered

Since when do Americans ever say "Meh" when someone is shot .. For any reason???  Not sure where you live .. But I've lived in the US my entire long life and no shootings are ever taken casually like that!

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Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
@N. Harmonik

Seems to me we used to lock up the mentally ill as a treatment.

Perhaps---having learned from the results of that experiment---we don't think locking up guns will have a better result.

All we know about gun control is that it would work as well to prevent violence as imprisoning the mentally ill worked to cure mental illness.
N. Harmonik
N. Harmonik commented
@Tom Jackson

But guns aren't people.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
Why assume that the relevant issues are any less complex---guns are indifferent as to who owns them, it's the people who prefer to own them that is the problem.

So once again, it's the people we have to deal with---whether they are mentally ill or they just think they have a right to own any gun at any time it suits them.
Tom  Jackson Profile
Tom Jackson answered

As one of those people you mention---a Caucasian, Christian guy---I have developed a "feel" over time about some the boundaries within which other Caucasian, Christian guys tend to act.

When such actions get out into the tail ends of what I have decided what represents the normal distribution, I chalk that up to "Meh"

or "He must be nuts."---in other words, I have a place to put that mentally before it happens.

But when a Muslim does that, I am aware that one of his philosophical assumptions might be: "If you are an infidel, you deserve to die;" and I have no knowledge of what might make him decide that I am also an infidel and it is appropriate that I should not be allowed to live.

I "know" how to react to the first guy, but I have not learned how to categorize and evaluate the actions of someone who might be a Muslim Jihadist

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Superb, accurate self-insight....leads to understanding and healing.
Tom  Jackson
Tom Jackson commented
My favorite hobby---the unexamined life is not worth living.

And mines has turned out to be retroactively fascinating---although not so much maybe at the time.
Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Amen to that, Brother Tom...been there, done (doing) that...
Call me Z Profile
Call me Z answered

First of all, it's ALL mental illness.

Second, it is reasonable to press the religious terrorism charge when the perp cries out or phones-in his allegiences at the active crime scene. Allahu Akbar.

Third, I challenge you to identify a mass killing by a Muslim that wasn't about religion.

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Call me Z
Call me Z commented
You're right. The news agencies are about sensationalism, and are run by Christians and Jews (at least here in the states). The dislike of Radical Islam plays strongly with "regular folks" at the moment. Some would rather accept wrong information than have none.
Nonetheless, my third point remains.
N. Harmonik
N. Harmonik commented
Levi F's response is that Omar wasn't particularly religious.
Call me Z
Call me Z commented
Levi's was a good response too.
Its unimportant. The shooter (who I will not dignify by naming him) sought validation, one need not be a True Believer to co-opt someone else's cause.
Virginia Lou Profile
Virginia Lou answered

Dear N.Harmonik,

There is actually a name for what you are describing...the RIST PHENOMENON. It was identified in schools - teachers unconsciously acting out such prejudices.

I saw it myself in action...the grandchildren of close friends who are Mexican. If their rambunctious little boy even laughed out of turn, he was given the maximum penalty possible. But for example, once we saw a little white boy run up and smack their grandson on the back of the head, hard... hard enough to be dangerous, braincase fragile.

We asked the playground monitor about it (who was standing right there, ignoring). The response? "Oh, he (the little hitter)...he's just having a bad day!"

* * *

The little grandson was about eight years old then, extremely bright, and I spent lots of time with him both in school and out. I saw too many instances, daily...teachers unable to assess their own actions accurately.

Caution of strangers probably had evolutionary survival value, but now in the age of terrorism we need to get ourselves together!

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Virginia Lou
Virginia Lou commented
Reading Tom Jackson's response...I see why I myself "saw through" what was going on at school with the grandchildren.

Because I rented the mother-in-law apt. in their home, I knew how well they were raising their grandchildren...no unknowns about "what Mexicans are liable to do."
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Levi F. answered

Because Islam is easy to scapegoat. People need some way to explain why there are so many mass shootings. When a white person does it, we immediately look to the mental health angle because we know there are problems with lack of care for mentally ill people in this country. But addressing mental health issues is tough and something a lot of people don't want to discuss or bother with.

Blaming religion for a shooting is much easier, even though the evidence suggests Omar Mateen only pledged allegiance to ISIS for attention, and that he was not particularly religious. It's likely that mental health played a much larger role in what happened.

Although a very interesting case is that of Anders Breivik in Norway. The mass shooting that he committed was larger than any mass shooting that has ever happened in the U.S. And he was a radical far-right anti-Muslim extremist. Imagine if something like that happened in the U.S. And what we would say "caused" it. I wonder what we'd try to scapegoat first. Anything but the truth, as usual. The truth is scary.

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mary adam answered

It's the way it gets "reported" and addressed by Heads of government and the Media. They are currently using words like Terrorists, ISIS and ISIL associated with Islam and therefore Muslims.  If a persons religion is not motivating the violence, but mental illness is instead, then they will not normally mention the persons religious beliefs.

This has nothing to do with the people, but with the information and agenda they being fed.

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